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Re: $3/gal Gas coming soon?
From: hhc314(at)yahoo.com (Harry Conover)Subject: Re: $3/gal Gas coming soon?
Date: 24 Feb 2004 22:51:23 -0800
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Don Lancaster
> Harry Conover wrote:
> >
> > What about the poor slob supporting a home an family, who is now out
> > of work because his job was just outsource to India, and who daily
> > must commute 40-miles each way in his car for any hope of potential
> > re-employment?
>
> > Harry C.
>
> Obviously, they should acquire a taste for curry and saffron.
I absolutely despise that taste of curry, and Indian cooking in
general, but love the really hot Sezwan dishes. If we must outsource
job, better to China than India!
Harry C.
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From: Kimmo Klemola Subject: Re: $3/gal Gas coming soon?
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:51:05 +0200
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Harry Conover wrote:
> Kimmo Klemola
>
>>Eric Gisin wrote:
>>
>>>As soon as the Yanks take over Iran (trouble brewing there too), they will be
>>>able to control oil prices.
>>>
>>>"JPaul"
>>>news:2288e781.0402231027.32c41933(at)posting.google.com...
>>>
>>>http://netscape5.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid={40A4FE60-9FE7-4C04-B5C7-22EEB3113ACB}&siteid=netscape&dist=special
>>>
>>
>>That would halve our current price. I think our 6 US$/gallon is still
>>quite cheap. My life would not be affected with 12 US$/gallon.
>
>
> You`re life may not be affected, but what about some kid that is
> working his way through college and needs to fuel his $350 rustmobile
> to get to the job that pays for his education?
>
> What about the poor slob supporting a home an family, who is now out
> of work because his job was just outsource to India, and who daily
> must commute 40-miles each way in his car for any hope of potential
> re-employment?
>
> These of the people that really feel the fuel cost pressures, since
> for various reasons their incomes don`t meet the prices resulting from
> inflation and effective devaluation of the dollar.
>
> If you live and work in a major American city, and don`t even own a
> car, your costs are rising too, but primarily though increased housing
> costs. In Boston, a minimal appartment that one rented for $75/month,
> is now at least $800/month. Anything less is usually sub-standard,
> subsidized housing.
>
> Consider yourself fortunate if you live within public transporation
> commuting range of you employment. Realize that, on the whole, this is
> not typical of Americans.
>
> Harry C.
I agree. My cousin survived until fourty something without owning a car,
15 years of that time in New York Manhattan. Now he lives somewhere in
New York suburbs and is forced to drive his own car. I guess that in US
public transport would not solve all problems, because the communities
are built based on the use of own cars.
Finland has quite the same problem. It is sparsely inhabited. However,
the public transport is quite good. The problem is that the public
transport fees seem to follow high gas prices. Using own car is many
times a very competitive choice.
Kimmo
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From: "No One" Subject: Re: $3/gal Gas coming soon?
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:07:18 -0600
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> >>The original post wasn`t advocating a form of government from what I
> >>read. I intended my question address a level of law and order. If you
> >>willingly pay taxes demanded by some law, you are not an anarchists.
> >
> >
> > When talking about forcing or demanding people, as the population, to do
> > things you have to have a government doing it.
> >
> > Since I live in the US I use it as my base both for my POV and when
> > discussing governments, unless said otherwise. I think most people do
the
> > same, i.e. use their government/POV.
>
> So, I read his opinion on what would be the right thing to do. In a fair
> political forum the right thing to do is address the subject, not a
> strawman attack on invented governing systems.
You are hung up on the `strawman attack` when the Pol Pot reference was used
as the extreme of where things can go when people start demanding things of
other people. He was saying that we should `demand of others` to do the
`right thing` and my point was people don`t take well to being demanded to
do things, right or wrong.
> >>But you argued against his idea what what might be moral law as if here
> >>where talking about authoritarian system. You argued that violence could
> >>be a result.
> >
> > See above for the authoritarian system. History has shown that the
usual
> > reaction to a people being `demanded` to do something they do not want
to
> > they tend to resist. The more `demand` placed on the stronger their
> > resistance. There reaches a point where violence or at least the threat
of
> > volence must be used by one or both sides.
>
> You either have to choose between anarchy or law and order. Law
That`s like saying you have to choose between light and dark. What about
the shades of gray? All the governments I brought up except anarchy have a
set of laws to uphold the order. But there is a large rift between the
amount of control the governments have on the people with these laws.
> describes the demands place on the order expected. I don`t know how you
> can have it both ways other than all men, (and woman), are born
> completely moral.
Are you saying that they are? I guess they are because they act according
to THEIR morals. A member of group X may believe that he has the moral
right to kill people of group Y just because they belong to group Y. So
when he kills them he is not doing any thing immoral in his view. This type
of `morality` has been seen throughout the history of man.
> > The problem with `moral` laws is who`s morals do you pick?
>
> Exactly. So you should argue the morality of his premise rather than
> choose the strawman argument. (Unless you are an anarchist, then, your
> argument is valid.)
It was not a strawman argument. I asked a simple question of him (where do
you stop the demands) then used an extreme example to drive home the point.
If you say that the fur on a cat is bright and I ask "how bright" then
follow up with "is it as bright as the sun" would you say that because a cat
could never be as bright as the sun I am confusing the issue, i.e. how
bright is the cats fur, with a strawman argument?
>
> >>So I asked, `Are you are an anarchist?` Because, you argued against
> >>`demands`. And his words, `We demand of each other`, is not a
> >>totalitarian ideal. So, the comparison to Pol Pot seems pretty far
> >>fetched. In fact, the words sound rather democratic.
> >
> > Not when you start demanding things. As I asked him, more or less, what
are
> > you going to demand of them and how are you going to get them to
respond?
>
> His words:
> We should, if we are the "Sentient Beings" that we purport to be, DEMAND
> of each other....
>
> So, when you ask him, `What are you...`, it is not in the context he had
> written. It is a strawman argument. Demands are the root of law and
> order. `We the people.` Does it sound familiar?
As well as the use of force, i.e. violence, to enforce those laws. IOW,
when we place demands on people we have to be ready, willing and able to use
force if people refuse to follow those demands. My points still stand; what
is he going to demand of people, where does he stop and how much force is he
willing to use against those who do now follow his demands?
I don`t think you truly believe that force/violence or the threat of it is
not used to keep `law and order`. Which means that when we the people place
demands on each other we are saying follow the rules WE set or we will cause
you harm.
>
> > And you are correct the Pol Pot reference is way out there. It was made
for
> > two reasons, to make the point of what happens when people start
demanding
> > other people live the way THEY want.
>
> Well, every politician I know of should be jailed! His `DEMAND of each
> other` is a far cry from what goes on in most of the world, including
> here. It would be nice if we lived in a democracy, but we don`t.
Now you can`t really believe that. Think of where we would be if 51% of the
people could do what ever they wanted to the other 49%.
>
> > The second is because if you look at
> > history you will find that all the Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge type of actions
> > didn`t pop up over night. They came from a small start that got out of
> > hand.
>
> And, it is your opinion that is what`s out of hand is different from
> mine. That`s fine. But if the op`s opinion and mine aren`t heard for
> their value instead of being turned into an evil message, there is
> little fairness. Address the op`s contentions as to what he thinks is
> wrong instead of pidgin holing him as some kind of `evil doer`.
As stated above I merely asked him to clarify how he would enforce his or
the people`s `demand` on the ones who didn`t feel the way he does then used
an extreme example to drive home the point. For all I know he may think the
way to do it is to give everyone who does follow the demands a box of
chocolate but not give any to the others. But, again as I pointed out, most
demands placed upon a people must have something behind them to make those
who don`t agree go along.
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Title: Texas heavy industries worry about EPA crackdown
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:16:43 +0000
Author: rwl65
These environmentalists don’t know when to back off, they just keep pushing until they end up closing companies down, they don’t care how many they put out of work, I worked for one of though companies that were shut down know matter how much they did to improve on the plant, the last straw was when they told them that they had to build a dome over the plant, this is how far they will go to get what they want, even though the company did what they were asked to do.
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